The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also
present without console support. So soften the dependency for
SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as
a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed
workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in
arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c.
This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp.
To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o
must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the
latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o
must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module.
Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de
Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
---
drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +-
drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +-
2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644
--- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
+++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
@@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX
config SERIAL_8250_FSL
bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64)
- depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
+ depends on SERIAL_8250
default PPC || ARM || ARM64
help
Selecting this option enables a workaround for a break-detection
diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile
index 4fc2fc1f41b6..8824ba5295b6 100644
--- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile
+++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile
@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250) += 8250.o 8250_base.o
8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DMA) += 8250_dma.o
8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DWLIB) += 8250_dwlib.o
8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FINTEK) += 8250_fintek.o
+8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL) += 8250_fsl.o
8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCILIB) += 8250_pcilib.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PARISC) += 8250_parisc.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI) += 8250_pci.o
@@ -28,7 +29,6 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_BOCA) += 8250_boca.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554) += 8250_exar_st16c554.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_HUB6) += 8250_hub6.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI1XXXX) += 8250_pci1xxxx.o
-obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL) += 8250_fsl.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MEN_MCB) += 8250_men_mcb.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DFL) += 8250_dfl.o
obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DW) += 8250_dw.o
--
2.39.2
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also > present without console support. So soften the dependency for > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c. > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp. > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module. > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> > --- > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +- > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +- > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644 > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64) > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE > + depends on SERIAL_8250 Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate? (1/2 might need a small change to take into account that it can now be a module). > default PPC || ARM || ARM64 > help > Selecting this option enables a workaround for a break-detection > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile > index 4fc2fc1f41b6..8824ba5295b6 100644 > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile > @@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250) += 8250.o 8250_base.o > 8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DMA) += 8250_dma.o > 8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DWLIB) += 8250_dwlib.o > 8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FINTEK) += 8250_fintek.o > +8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL) += 8250_fsl.o > 8250_base-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCILIB) += 8250_pcilib.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PARISC) += 8250_parisc.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI) += 8250_pci.o > @@ -28,7 +29,6 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_BOCA) += 8250_boca.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_EXAR_ST16C554) += 8250_exar_st16c554.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_HUB6) += 8250_hub6.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_PCI1XXXX) += 8250_pci1xxxx.o > -obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL) += 8250_fsl.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_MEN_MCB) += 8250_men_mcb.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DFL) += 8250_dfl.o > obj-$(CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_DW) += 8250_dw.o -- i.
On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:55PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also > > present without console support. So soften the dependency for > > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as > > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed > > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in > > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c. > > > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp. > > > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o > > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the > > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o > > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module. > > > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com> > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de > > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> > > --- > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +- > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +- > > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644 > > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX > > > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL > > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64) > > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE > > + depends on SERIAL_8250 > > Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side > workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate? I see no benefit for a module separate from 8250_base.ko. There are dependencies in both directions between 8250_port.o and 8250_fsl.o[1]. So in my book a bool SERIAL_8250_FSL that modifies 8250_base.ko (with SERIAL_8250=m) is fine. Best regards Uwe [1] 8250_port.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o, and 8250_fsl.o uses serial8250_modem_status from 8250_port.o. -- Pengutronix e.K. | Uwe Kleine-König | Industrial Linux Solutions | https://www.pengutronix.de/ |
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:55PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > > > > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also > > > present without console support. So soften the dependency for > > > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as > > > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed > > > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in > > > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c. > > > > > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp. > > > > > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o > > > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the > > > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o > > > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module. > > > > > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com> > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de > > > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> > > > --- > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +- > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +- > > > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644 > > > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX > > > > > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL > > > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64) > > > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE > > > + depends on SERIAL_8250 > > > > Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side > > workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate? > > I see no benefit for a module separate from 8250_base.ko. There are > dependencies in both directions between 8250_port.o and 8250_fsl.o[1]. > So in my book a bool SERIAL_8250_FSL that modifies 8250_base.ko (with > SERIAL_8250=m) is fine. > > Best regards > Uwe > > [1] 8250_port.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o Is that after some fix which isn't in tty-next? I see only these: $ git grep -l fsl8250_handle_irq arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_fsl.c drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_of.c include/linux/serial_8250.h No users of fsl8250_handle_irq in 8250_port.c. -- i. >, and 8250_fsl.o uses serial8250_modem_status from 8250_port.o.
Hello Ilpo, On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:44:08PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:55PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > > > > > > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also > > > > present without console support. So soften the dependency for > > > > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as > > > > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed > > > > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in > > > > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c. > > > > > > > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp. > > > > > > > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o > > > > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the > > > > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o > > > > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module. > > > > > > > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de > > > > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> > > > > --- > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +- > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +- > > > > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644 > > > > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX > > > > > > > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL > > > > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64) > > > > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE > > > > + depends on SERIAL_8250 > > > > > > Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side > > > workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate? > > > > I see no benefit for a module separate from 8250_base.ko. There are > > dependencies in both directions between 8250_port.o and 8250_fsl.o[1]. > > So in my book a bool SERIAL_8250_FSL that modifies 8250_base.ko (with > > SERIAL_8250=m) is fine. > > > > Best regards > > Uwe > > > > [1] 8250_port.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o > > Is that after some fix which isn't in tty-next? I see only these: > > $ git grep -l fsl8250_handle_irq > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_fsl.c > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_of.c > include/linux/serial_8250.h > > No users of fsl8250_handle_irq in 8250_port.c. Ah right, I was too quick: 8250_of.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o 8250_fsl.o uses serial8250_modem_status() from 8250_port.o (which is in 8250_base.o) However linking 8250_fsl.o in 8250_of.o isn't a good solution either as 8250_fsl.o should also be available with CONFIG_SERIAL_OF_PLATFORM disabled to provide the ACPI driver. And as 8250_of.o already depends on 8250_port.o (e.g. via serial8250_em485_config()) adding 8250_fsl.o together with 8250_port.o into 8250_base.ko is fine and doesn't add new dependencies. Best regards Uwe -- Pengutronix e.K. | Uwe Kleine-König | Industrial Linux Solutions | https://www.pengutronix.de/ |
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hello Ilpo,
>
> On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:44:08PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:55PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also
> > > > > present without console support. So soften the dependency for
> > > > > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as
> > > > > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed
> > > > > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in
> > > > > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c.
> > > > >
> > > > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp.
> > > > >
> > > > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o
> > > > > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the
> > > > > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o
> > > > > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module.
> > > > >
> > > > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
> > > > > ---
> > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +-
> > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +-
> > > > > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
> > > > > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644
> > > > > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
> > > > > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig
> > > > > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX
> > > > >
> > > > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL
> > > > > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64)
> > > > > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE
> > > > > + depends on SERIAL_8250
> > > >
> > > > Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side
> > > > workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate?
> > >
> > > I see no benefit for a module separate from 8250_base.ko. There are
> > > dependencies in both directions between 8250_port.o and 8250_fsl.o[1].
> > > So in my book a bool SERIAL_8250_FSL that modifies 8250_base.ko (with
> > > SERIAL_8250=m) is fine.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Uwe
> > >
> > > [1] 8250_port.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o
> >
> > Is that after some fix which isn't in tty-next? I see only these:
> >
> > $ git grep -l fsl8250_handle_irq
> > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c
> > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_fsl.c
> > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_of.c
> > include/linux/serial_8250.h
> >
> > No users of fsl8250_handle_irq in 8250_port.c.
>
> Ah right, I was too quick:
>
> 8250_of.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o
> 8250_fsl.o uses serial8250_modem_status() from 8250_port.o (which is in 8250_base.o)
>
>
> However linking 8250_fsl.o in 8250_of.o isn't a good solution either as
> 8250_fsl.o should also be available with CONFIG_SERIAL_OF_PLATFORM
> disabled to provide the ACPI driver. And as 8250_of.o already depends on
> 8250_port.o (e.g. via serial8250_em485_config()) adding 8250_fsl.o
> together with 8250_port.o into 8250_base.ko is fine and doesn't add new
> dependencies.
So we have dependencies one-way only:
8250_port
/\ |\
\
8250_fsl \
/
/\ /
8250_of
There's no loop here, both they be indepedent modules and configured
independently (with a correct IS_*() in 8250_of.c).
--
i.
On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:44:08PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:55PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023, Uwe Kleine-König wrote: > > > > The need to handle the FSL variant of 8250 in a special way is also > > > > present without console support. So soften the dependency for > > > > SERIAL_8250_FSL accordingly. Note that with the 8250 driver compiled as > > > > a module, some devices still might not make use of the needed > > > > workarounds. That affects the ports instantiated in > > > > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c. > > > > > > > > This issue was identified by Dominik Andreas Schorpp. > > > > > > > > To cope for CONFIG_SERIAL_8250=m + CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_FSL=y, 8250_fsl.o > > > > must be put in the same compilation unit as 8250_port.o because the > > > > latter defines some functions needed in the former and so 8250_fsl.o > > > > must not be built-in if 8250_port.o is available in a module. > > > > > > > > Acked-by: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20230531083230.2702181-1-u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de > > > > Signed-off-by: Uwe Kleine-König <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> > > > > --- > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig | 2 +- > > > > drivers/tty/serial/8250/Makefile | 2 +- > > > > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > index 5313aa31930f..10c09b19c871 100644 > > > > --- a/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > +++ b/drivers/tty/serial/8250/Kconfig > > > > @@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ config SERIAL_8250_BCM2835AUX > > > > > > > > config SERIAL_8250_FSL > > > > bool "Freescale 16550 UART support" if COMPILE_TEST && !(PPC || ARM || ARM64) > > > > - depends on SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE > > > > + depends on SERIAL_8250 > > > > > > Just one additional thought: After the adding the arch side > > > workaround/hack, SERIAL_8250_FSL could become a tristate? > > > > I see no benefit for a module separate from 8250_base.ko. There are > > dependencies in both directions between 8250_port.o and 8250_fsl.o[1]. > > So in my book a bool SERIAL_8250_FSL that modifies 8250_base.ko (with > > SERIAL_8250=m) is fine. > > [1] 8250_port.o uses fsl8250_handle_irq() from 8250_fsl.o > > Is that after some fix which isn't in tty-next? I see only these: > > $ git grep -l fsl8250_handle_irq > arch/powerpc/kernel/legacy_serial.c > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_fsl.c > drivers/tty/serial/8250/8250_of.c > include/linux/serial_8250.h > > No users of fsl8250_handle_irq in 8250_port.c. > >, and 8250_fsl.o uses serial8250_modem_status from 8250_port.o. I don't like 8250_base to be fattened by some stuff that has no generic meaning. Can we avoid putting every quirk there? -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko
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