[PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP

Daniel P. Berrangé posted 19 patches 4 years, 4 months ago
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[PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Posted by Daniel P. Berrangé 4 years, 4 months ago
Traditionally we have required that newly added QMP commands will model
any returned data using fine grained QAPI types. This is good for
commands that are intended to be consumed by machines, where clear data
representation is very important. Commands that don't satisfy this have
generally been added to HMP only.

In effect the decision of whether to add a new command to QMP vs HMP has
been used as a proxy for the decision of whether the cost of designing a
fine grained QAPI type is justified by the potential benefits.

As a result the commands present in QMP and HMP are non-overlapping
sets, although HMP comamnds can be accessed indirectly via the QMP
command 'human-monitor-command'.

One of the downsides of 'human-monitor-command' is that the QEMU monitor
APIs remain tied into various internal parts of the QEMU code. For
example any exclusively HMP command will need to use 'monitor_printf'
to get data out. It would be desirable to be able to fully isolate the
monitor implementation from QEMU internals, however, this is only
possible if all commands are exclusively based on QAPI with direct
QMP exposure.

The way to achieve this desired end goal is to finese the requirements
for QMP command design. For cases where the output of a command is only
intended for human consumption, it is reasonable to want to simplify
the implementation by returning a plain string containing formatted
data instead of designing a fine grained QAPI data type. This can be
permitted if-and-only-if the command is exposed under the 'x-' name
prefix. This indicates that the command data format is liable to
future change and that it is not following QAPI design best practice.

The poster child example for this would be the 'info registers' HMP
command which returns printf formatted data representing CPU state.
This information varies enourmously across target architectures and
changes relatively frequently as new CPU features are implemented.
It is there as debugging data for human operators, and any machine
usage would treat it as an opaque blob. It is thus reasonable to
expose this in QMP as 'x-query-registers' returning a 'str' field.

Reviewed-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
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 docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst | 27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 27 insertions(+)

diff --git a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
index a973c48f66..0f3b751dab 100644
--- a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
+++ b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
@@ -350,6 +350,33 @@ In this section we will focus on user defined types. Please, check the QAPI
 documentation for information about the other types.
 
 
+Modelling data in QAPI
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+For a QMP command that to be considered stable and supported long term,
+there is a requirement returned data should be explicitly modelled
+using fine-grained QAPI types. As a general guide, a caller of the QMP
+command should never need to parse individual returned data fields. If
+a field appears to need parsing, then it should be split into separate
+fields corresponding to each distinct data item. This should be the
+common case for any new QMP command that is intended to be used by
+machines, as opposed to exclusively human operators.
+
+Some QMP commands, however, are only intended as ad hoc debugging aids
+for human operators. While they may return large amounts of formatted
+data, it is not expected that machines will need to parse the result.
+The overhead of defining a fine grained QAPI type for the data may not
+be justified by the potential benefit. In such cases, it is permitted
+to have a command return a simple string that contains formatted data,
+however, it is mandatory for the command to use the 'x-' name prefix.
+This indicates that the command is not guaranteed to be long term
+stable / liable to change in future and is not following QAPI design
+best practices. An example where this approach is taken is the QMP
+command "x-query-registers". This returns a formatted dump of the
+architecture specific CPU state. The way the data is formatted varies
+across QEMU targets, is liable to change over time, and is only
+intended to be consumed as an opaque string by machines.
+
 User Defined Types
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Re: [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Posted by Markus Armbruster 4 years, 3 months ago
This clashes with my "[PATCH v2 0/9] Configurable policy for handling
unstable interfaces", which replaces "you must give unstable stuff names
starting with 'x-'" by "you must give unstable stuff feature flag
'unstable' (and may give it a name starting with 'x-')".


Re: [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Posted by Daniel P. Berrangé 4 years, 3 months ago
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 04:31:40PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> This clashes with my "[PATCH v2 0/9] Configurable policy for handling
> unstable interfaces", which replaces "you must give unstable stuff names
> starting with 'x-'" by "you must give unstable stuff feature flag
> 'unstable' (and may give it a name starting with 'x-')".

If your series goes in first, I'll update this to take account of it,
but for now I'll leave it as is.

Regards,
Daniel
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Re: [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Posted by Daniel P. Berrangé 4 years, 3 months ago
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 04:24:31PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 04:31:40PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > This clashes with my "[PATCH v2 0/9] Configurable policy for handling
> > unstable interfaces", which replaces "you must give unstable stuff names
> > starting with 'x-'" by "you must give unstable stuff feature flag
> > 'unstable' (and may give it a name starting with 'x-')".
> 
> If your series goes in first, I'll update this to take account of it,
> but for now I'll leave it as is.

This patch has now merged to git master.

If you re-post your series feel free to update the new docs, or let
me know if you want me to do it afterwards.

Regards,
Daniel
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Re: [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Posted by Markus Armbruster 4 years, 3 months ago
Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 04:24:31PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 04:31:40PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> > This clashes with my "[PATCH v2 0/9] Configurable policy for handling
>> > unstable interfaces", which replaces "you must give unstable stuff names
>> > starting with 'x-'" by "you must give unstable stuff feature flag
>> > 'unstable' (and may give it a name starting with 'x-')".
>> 
>> If your series goes in first, I'll update this to take account of it,
>> but for now I'll leave it as is.
>
> This patch has now merged to git master.

Merge commit e86e00a2493, Nov 3.

> If you re-post your series feel free to update the new docs, or let
> me know if you want me to do it afterwards.

The latter, because my series went in before yours, in merge commit
dd61b91c080, Oct 29 :)