There was this introduction made on the users list:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html
Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt.
Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com>
---
docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in
index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644
--- a/docs/apps.html.in
+++ b/docs/apps.html.in
@@ -99,6 +99,12 @@
machines. It is a command line tool for developers that makes it very
fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's.
</dd>
+ <dt><a href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt>
+ <dd>
+ Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to allow anyone
+ to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI interface, but
+ locally.
+ </dd>
</dl>
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On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: > There was this introduction made on the users list: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html > > Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. > > Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> > --- > docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ > 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in > index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 > --- a/docs/apps.html.in > +++ b/docs/apps.html.in > @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ > machines. It is a command line tool for developers that makes it very > fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. > </dd> > + <dt><a href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> > + <dd> > + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to allow anyone > + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI interface, but > + locally. > + </dd> > </dl> > > <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> > I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to the dev mailing list. Can't this be a wiki page? Thanks, Cole -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:10:19PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: >> There was this introduction made on the users list: >> >> https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html >> >> Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. >> >> Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> >> --- >> docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ >> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) >> >> diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in >> index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 >> --- a/docs/apps.html.in >> +++ b/docs/apps.html.in >> @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ >> machines. It is a command line tool for developers that makes it very >> fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. >> </dd> >> + <dt><a href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> >> + <dd> >> + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to allow anyone >> + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI interface, but >> + locally. >> + </dd> >> </dl> >> >> <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> >> > >I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's >always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to >the dev mailing list. The changes proposed to this page have always shown a high signal-to-noise ratio and are neligible to all the other changes made to libvirt source code. >Can't this be a wiki page? One argument against a wiki page would be that the barrier for contributing is higher. To get your change merged in git, all you need is to send an e-mail. For wiki contributions, you need to send an e-mail to request an account, and only then you can start working on the change. > >Thanks, >Cole No, thanks. Jano -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
On 4/3/19 5:03 PM, Ján Tomko wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:10:19PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >> On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: >>> There was this introduction made on the users list: >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html >>> >>> Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. >>> >>> Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> >>> --- >>> docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ >>> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) >>> >>> diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in >>> index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 >>> --- a/docs/apps.html.in >>> +++ b/docs/apps.html.in >>> @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ >>> machines. It is a command line tool for developers that >>> makes it very >>> fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. >>> </dd> >>> + <dt><a >>> href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> >>> >>> + <dd> >>> + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to >>> allow anyone >>> + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI >>> interface, but >>> + locally. >>> + </dd> >>> </dl> >>> >>> <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> >>> >> >> I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's >> always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to >> the dev mailing list. > > The changes proposed to this page have always shown a high > signal-to-noise ratio and are neligible to all the other changes made to > libvirt source code. > I didn't say it was _much_ noise :) But I take your point >> Can't this be a wiki page? > > One argument against a wiki page would be that the barrier for > contributing is higher. > > To get your change merged in git, all you need is to send an e-mail. > There's three cases: 1) contributor asks someone else to add app to the list 2) new contributor does it themselves 3) existing contributor does it themselves In both wiki and git worlds, #1 is just an email 'hey this app exists'. Like the case above: someone mentioned it on the list, and michal is adjusting apps.html for them #2 is not just an email: it's git clone, make the change, hopefully test it, then send it. #2 for the wiki yes it's painful for drive by contributors because they need to request an account, possibly more painful depending on how comfortable people are with git. #3 for both cases is indistinguishably low effort. Except the git case always requires minimum 2 mails to libvir-list. And every git case requires some reviewer bandwidth, CI triggering and a permanent git commit. Anyways I'm not gonna die on this hill, I've said my piece (again ;) ), if no one else is on board I'll shut up about it >> >> Thanks, >> Cole > > No, thanks. > (no?) Thanks, Cole -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
On 4/4/19 12:58 AM, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 4/3/19 5:03 PM, Ján Tomko wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:10:19PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >>> On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: >>>> There was this introduction made on the users list: >>>> >>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html >>>> >>>> Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. >>>> >>>> Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> >>>> --- >>>> docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ >>>> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) >>>> >>>> diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in >>>> index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 >>>> --- a/docs/apps.html.in >>>> +++ b/docs/apps.html.in >>>> @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ >>>> machines. It is a command line tool for developers that >>>> makes it very >>>> fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. >>>> </dd> >>>> + <dt><a >>>> href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> >>>> >>>> + <dd> >>>> + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to >>>> allow anyone >>>> + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI >>>> interface, but >>>> + locally. >>>> + </dd> >>>> </dl> >>>> >>>> <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> >>>> >>> >>> I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's >>> always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to >>> the dev mailing list. >> >> The changes proposed to this page have always shown a high >> signal-to-noise ratio and are neligible to all the other changes made to >> libvirt source code. >> > > I didn't say it was _much_ noise :) But I take your point > >>> Can't this be a wiki page? >> >> One argument against a wiki page would be that the barrier for >> contributing is higher. >> >> To get your change merged in git, all you need is to send an e-mail. >> > > There's three cases: > > 1) contributor asks someone else to add app to the list > 2) new contributor does it themselves > 3) existing contributor does it themselves > > In both wiki and git worlds, #1 is just an email 'hey this app exists'. > Like the case above: someone mentioned it on the list, and michal is > adjusting apps.html for them > > #2 is not just an email: it's git clone, make the change, hopefully test > it, then send it. > > #2 for the wiki yes it's painful for drive by contributors because they > need to request an account, possibly more painful depending on how > comfortable people are with git. > > #3 for both cases is indistinguishably low effort. Except the git case > always requires minimum 2 mails to libvir-list. > > And every git case requires some reviewer bandwidth, CI triggering and a > permanent git commit. > > Anyways I'm not gonna die on this hill, I've said my piece (again ;) ), > if no one else is on board I'll shut up about it Do we have a resolution here? I like 1) and 3) and I'm volunteering for creating the wiki page if we decide to go with 3). Michal -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
On 4/6/19 6:28 AM, Michal Prívozník wrote: > On 4/4/19 12:58 AM, Cole Robinson wrote: >> On 4/3/19 5:03 PM, Ján Tomko wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:10:19PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: >>>> On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: >>>>> There was this introduction made on the users list: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html >>>>> >>>>> Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. >>>>> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> >>>>> --- >>>>> docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ >>>>> 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) >>>>> >>>>> diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in >>>>> index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 >>>>> --- a/docs/apps.html.in >>>>> +++ b/docs/apps.html.in >>>>> @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ >>>>> machines. It is a command line tool for developers that >>>>> makes it very >>>>> fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. >>>>> </dd> >>>>> + <dt><a >>>>> href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> >>>>> >>>>> + <dd> >>>>> + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to >>>>> allow anyone >>>>> + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI >>>>> interface, but s/start new/start a new/ >>>>> + locally. 'Very much like a container CLI, but locally.' I don't really understand what this means, maybe better is 'Very much like a container CLI, but with a virtual machine.' or similar >>>>> + </dd> >>>>> </dl> >>>>> >>>>> <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's >>>> always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to >>>> the dev mailing list. >>> >>> The changes proposed to this page have always shown a high >>> signal-to-noise ratio and are neligible to all the other changes made to >>> libvirt source code. >>> >> >> I didn't say it was _much_ noise :) But I take your point >> >>>> Can't this be a wiki page? >>> >>> One argument against a wiki page would be that the barrier for >>> contributing is higher. >>> >>> To get your change merged in git, all you need is to send an e-mail. >>> >> >> There's three cases: >> >> 1) contributor asks someone else to add app to the list >> 2) new contributor does it themselves >> 3) existing contributor does it themselves >> >> In both wiki and git worlds, #1 is just an email 'hey this app exists'. >> Like the case above: someone mentioned it on the list, and michal is >> adjusting apps.html for them >> >> #2 is not just an email: it's git clone, make the change, hopefully test >> it, then send it. >> >> #2 for the wiki yes it's painful for drive by contributors because they >> need to request an account, possibly more painful depending on how >> comfortable people are with git. >> >> #3 for both cases is indistinguishably low effort. Except the git case >> always requires minimum 2 mails to libvir-list. >> >> And every git case requires some reviewer bandwidth, CI triggering and a >> permanent git commit. >> >> Anyways I'm not gonna die on this hill, I've said my piece (again ;) ), >> if no one else is on board I'll shut up about it > > Do we have a resolution here? I like 1) and 3) and I'm volunteering for > creating the wiki page if we decide to go with 3). > Dan seemed against the wiki page too in another mail. For this change with the way up above: Reviewed-by: Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com> But if you are like me and prefer the wiki page route then obviously I endorse that too Thanks, Cole -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:10:19PM -0400, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 4/1/19 8:19 AM, Michal Privoznik wrote: > > There was this introduction made on the users list: > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvirt-users/2019-March/msg00046.html > > > > Add the application onto the list of apps known to use libvirt. > > > > Signed-off-by: Michal Privoznik <mprivozn@redhat.com> > > --- > > docs/apps.html.in | 6 ++++++ > > 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+) > > > > diff --git a/docs/apps.html.in b/docs/apps.html.in > > index 209854b6ac..62914b575a 100644 > > --- a/docs/apps.html.in > > +++ b/docs/apps.html.in > > @@ -99,6 +99,12 @@ > > machines. It is a command line tool for developers that makes it very > > fast and easy to deploy and re-deploy an environment of vm's. > > </dd> > > + <dt><a href="https://github.com/virt-lightning/virt-lightning">virt-lightning</a></dt> > > + <dd> > > + Virt-Lightning uses libvirt, cloud-init and libguestfs to allow anyone > > + to quickly start new VM. Very much like a container CLI interface, but > > + locally. > > + </dd> > > </dl> > > > > <h2><a id="configmgmt">Configuration Management</a></h2> > > > > I don't get the point of keeping this as a static page in git. It's > always going to be out of date, or needing tweaks that IMO add noise to > the dev mailing list. Can't this be a wiki page? IME the wiki is a black hole of unreviewed (and even more stale/outdated) content than the website is, so I don't think it would particularly improve matters. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :| -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
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