[libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput

Claudio Fontana posted 1 patch 2 years, 7 months ago
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src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
[libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput
Posted by Claudio Fontana 2 years, 7 months ago
currently the only user of virFileWrapperFdNew is the qemu driver;
virsh save is very slow with a default pipe size.
This change improves throughput by ~400% on fast nvme or ramdisk.

Best value currently measured is 1MB, which happens to be also
the kernel default for the pipe-max-size.

Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
---

see v2 at
https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2022-March/229423.html

Changes v2 -> v3:

* removed reading of max-pipe-size from procfs,
  instead make multiple attempts on EPERM with smaller sizes.
  In the regular case, this should succeed on the first try.
  (Daniel)

Changes v1 -> v2:

* removed VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE, made the new pipe resizing
  unconditional (Michal)

* moved code to separate functions (Michal)

* removed ternary op, disliked in libvirt (Michal)

* added #ifdef __linux__ (Ani Sinha)

* try smallest value between currently best measured value (1MB)
  and the pipe-max-size setting. If pipe-max-size cannot be read,
  try kernel default max (1MB). (Daniel)


src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)

diff --git a/src/util/virfile.c b/src/util/virfile.c
index a04f888e06..876b865974 100644
--- a/src/util/virfile.c
+++ b/src/util/virfile.c
@@ -201,6 +201,51 @@ struct _virFileWrapperFd {
 };
 
 #ifndef WIN32
+
+#ifdef __linux__
+
+/**
+ * virFileWrapperSetPipeSize:
+ * @fd: the fd of the pipe
+ *
+ * Set best pipe size on the passed file descriptor for bulk transfers of data.
+ *
+ * default pipe size (usually 64K) is generally not suited for large transfers
+ * to fast devices. A value of 1MB has been measured to improve virsh save
+ * by 400% in ideal conditions. We retry multiple times with smaller sizes
+ * on EPERM to account for possible small values of /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size.
+ *
+ * Return value is 0 on success, -1 and errno set on error.
+ * OS note: only for linux, on other OS this is a no-op.
+ */
+static int
+virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
+{
+    int sz;
+
+    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
+        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
+        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
+            continue; /* retry with half the size */
+        }
+        if (rv < 0) {
+            break;
+        }
+        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
+        return 0;
+    }
+    VIR_WARN("failed to set pipe size to %d (errno=%d)", sz, errno);
+    return -1;
+}
+
+#else /* !__linux__ */
+static int virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
+{
+    return 0;
+}
+#endif /* !__linux__ */
+
+
 /**
  * virFileWrapperFdNew:
  * @fd: pointer to fd to wrap
@@ -282,6 +327,10 @@ virFileWrapperFdNew(int *fd, const char *name, unsigned int flags)
 
     ret->cmd = virCommandNewArgList(iohelper_path, name, NULL);
 
+    if (virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(pipefd[!output]) < 0) {
+        virReportError(VIR_ERR_SYSTEM_ERROR, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));
+    }
+
     if (output) {
         virCommandSetInputFD(ret->cmd, pipefd[0]);
         virCommandSetOutputFD(ret->cmd, fd);
-- 
2.35.1
Re: [libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput
Posted by Daniel P. Berrangé 2 years, 7 months ago
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 01:54:51PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
> currently the only user of virFileWrapperFdNew is the qemu driver;
> virsh save is very slow with a default pipe size.
> This change improves throughput by ~400% on fast nvme or ramdisk.
> 
> Best value currently measured is 1MB, which happens to be also
> the kernel default for the pipe-max-size.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
> ---
> 
> see v2 at
> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2022-March/229423.html
> 
> Changes v2 -> v3:
> 
> * removed reading of max-pipe-size from procfs,
>   instead make multiple attempts on EPERM with smaller sizes.
>   In the regular case, this should succeed on the first try.
>   (Daniel)
> 
> Changes v1 -> v2:
> 
> * removed VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE, made the new pipe resizing
>   unconditional (Michal)
> 
> * moved code to separate functions (Michal)
> 
> * removed ternary op, disliked in libvirt (Michal)
> 
> * added #ifdef __linux__ (Ani Sinha)
> 
> * try smallest value between currently best measured value (1MB)
>   and the pipe-max-size setting. If pipe-max-size cannot be read,
>   try kernel default max (1MB). (Daniel)
> 
> 
> src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/src/util/virfile.c b/src/util/virfile.c
> index a04f888e06..876b865974 100644
> --- a/src/util/virfile.c
> +++ b/src/util/virfile.c
> @@ -201,6 +201,51 @@ struct _virFileWrapperFd {
>  };
>  
>  #ifndef WIN32
> +
> +#ifdef __linux__
> +
> +/**
> + * virFileWrapperSetPipeSize:
> + * @fd: the fd of the pipe
> + *
> + * Set best pipe size on the passed file descriptor for bulk transfers of data.
> + *
> + * default pipe size (usually 64K) is generally not suited for large transfers
> + * to fast devices. A value of 1MB has been measured to improve virsh save
> + * by 400% in ideal conditions. We retry multiple times with smaller sizes
> + * on EPERM to account for possible small values of /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size.
> + *
> + * Return value is 0 on success, -1 and errno set on error.
> + * OS note: only for linux, on other OS this is a no-op.
> + */
> +static int
> +virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
> +{
> +    int sz;
> +
> +    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
> +        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
> +        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
> +            continue; /* retry with half the size */
> +        }
> +        if (rv < 0) {
> +            break;
> +        }
> +        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
> +        return 0;
> +    }
> +    VIR_WARN("failed to set pipe size to %d (errno=%d)", sz, errno);
> +    return -1;
> +}
> +
> +#else /* !__linux__ */
> +static int virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
> +{
> +    return 0;
> +}
> +#endif /* !__linux__ */
> +
> +
>  /**
>   * virFileWrapperFdNew:
>   * @fd: pointer to fd to wrap
> @@ -282,6 +327,10 @@ virFileWrapperFdNew(int *fd, const char *name, unsigned int flags)
>  
>      ret->cmd = virCommandNewArgList(iohelper_path, name, NULL);
>  
> +    if (virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(pipefd[!output]) < 0) {
> +        virReportError(VIR_ERR_SYSTEM_ERROR, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));

Push this into virFileWrapperSetPipeSize instead of the VIR_WARN
there, and use virReportSystemError passing in the errno value too.

> +    }
> +
>      if (output) {
>          virCommandSetInputFD(ret->cmd, pipefd[0]);
>          virCommandSetOutputFD(ret->cmd, fd);

With regards,
Daniel
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Re: [libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput
Posted by Claudio Fontana 2 years, 7 months ago
On 3/25/22 2:13 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 01:54:51PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>> currently the only user of virFileWrapperFdNew is the qemu driver;
>> virsh save is very slow with a default pipe size.
>> This change improves throughput by ~400% on fast nvme or ramdisk.
>>
>> Best value currently measured is 1MB, which happens to be also
>> the kernel default for the pipe-max-size.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
>> ---
>>
>> see v2 at
>> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2022-March/229423.html
>>
>> Changes v2 -> v3:
>>
>> * removed reading of max-pipe-size from procfs,
>>   instead make multiple attempts on EPERM with smaller sizes.
>>   In the regular case, this should succeed on the first try.
>>   (Daniel)
>>
>> Changes v1 -> v2:
>>
>> * removed VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE, made the new pipe resizing
>>   unconditional (Michal)
>>
>> * moved code to separate functions (Michal)
>>
>> * removed ternary op, disliked in libvirt (Michal)
>>
>> * added #ifdef __linux__ (Ani Sinha)
>>
>> * try smallest value between currently best measured value (1MB)
>>   and the pipe-max-size setting. If pipe-max-size cannot be read,
>>   try kernel default max (1MB). (Daniel)
>>
>>
>> src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/src/util/virfile.c b/src/util/virfile.c
>> index a04f888e06..876b865974 100644
>> --- a/src/util/virfile.c
>> +++ b/src/util/virfile.c
>> @@ -201,6 +201,51 @@ struct _virFileWrapperFd {
>>  };
>>  
>>  #ifndef WIN32
>> +
>> +#ifdef __linux__
>> +
>> +/**
>> + * virFileWrapperSetPipeSize:
>> + * @fd: the fd of the pipe
>> + *
>> + * Set best pipe size on the passed file descriptor for bulk transfers of data.
>> + *
>> + * default pipe size (usually 64K) is generally not suited for large transfers
>> + * to fast devices. A value of 1MB has been measured to improve virsh save
>> + * by 400% in ideal conditions. We retry multiple times with smaller sizes
>> + * on EPERM to account for possible small values of /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size.
>> + *
>> + * Return value is 0 on success, -1 and errno set on error.
>> + * OS note: only for linux, on other OS this is a no-op.
>> + */
>> +static int
>> +virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
>> +{
>> +    int sz;
>> +
>> +    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
>> +        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
>> +        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
>> +            continue; /* retry with half the size */
>> +        }
>> +        if (rv < 0) {
>> +            break;
>> +        }
>> +        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
>> +        return 0;
>> +    }
>> +    VIR_WARN("failed to set pipe size to %d (errno=%d)", sz, errno);
>> +    return -1;
>> +}
>> +
>> +#else /* !__linux__ */
>> +static int virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
>> +{
>> +    return 0;
>> +}
>> +#endif /* !__linux__ */
>> +
>> +
>>  /**
>>   * virFileWrapperFdNew:
>>   * @fd: pointer to fd to wrap
>> @@ -282,6 +327,10 @@ virFileWrapperFdNew(int *fd, const char *name, unsigned int flags)
>>  
>>      ret->cmd = virCommandNewArgList(iohelper_path, name, NULL);
>>  
>> +    if (virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(pipefd[!output]) < 0) {
>> +        virReportError(VIR_ERR_SYSTEM_ERROR, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));
> 
> Push this into virFileWrapperSetPipeSize instead of the VIR_WARN
> there, and use virReportSystemError passing in the errno value too.


ok, what about also warning on EPERM? In the normal case we should succeed on the first try I think.


+static void
+virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
+{
+    int sz;
+
+    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
+        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
+        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
+            VIR_WARN("EPERM trying to set fd %d pipe size to %d", fd, sz);
+            continue; /* retry with half the size */
+        }
+        if (rv < 0) {
+            break;
+        }
+        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
+        return;
+    }
+    virReportSystemError(errno, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));
+}
+
+#else /* !__linux__ */
+static void virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
+{
+    return;
+}
+#endif /* !__linux__ */



?

Claudio



> 
>> +    }
>> +
>>      if (output) {
>>          virCommandSetInputFD(ret->cmd, pipefd[0]);
>>          virCommandSetOutputFD(ret->cmd, fd);
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel
> 
Re: [libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput
Posted by Daniel P. Berrangé 2 years, 7 months ago
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 02:52:05PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
> On 3/25/22 2:13 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 01:54:51PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
> >> currently the only user of virFileWrapperFdNew is the qemu driver;
> >> virsh save is very slow with a default pipe size.
> >> This change improves throughput by ~400% on fast nvme or ramdisk.
> >>
> >> Best value currently measured is 1MB, which happens to be also
> >> the kernel default for the pipe-max-size.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> see v2 at
> >> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2022-March/229423.html
> >>
> >> Changes v2 -> v3:
> >>
> >> * removed reading of max-pipe-size from procfs,
> >>   instead make multiple attempts on EPERM with smaller sizes.
> >>   In the regular case, this should succeed on the first try.
> >>   (Daniel)
> >>
> >> Changes v1 -> v2:
> >>
> >> * removed VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE, made the new pipe resizing
> >>   unconditional (Michal)
> >>
> >> * moved code to separate functions (Michal)
> >>
> >> * removed ternary op, disliked in libvirt (Michal)
> >>
> >> * added #ifdef __linux__ (Ani Sinha)
> >>
> >> * try smallest value between currently best measured value (1MB)
> >>   and the pipe-max-size setting. If pipe-max-size cannot be read,
> >>   try kernel default max (1MB). (Daniel)
> >>
> >>
> >> src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>  1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/src/util/virfile.c b/src/util/virfile.c
> >> index a04f888e06..876b865974 100644
> >> --- a/src/util/virfile.c
> >> +++ b/src/util/virfile.c
> >> @@ -201,6 +201,51 @@ struct _virFileWrapperFd {
> >>  };
> >>  
> >>  #ifndef WIN32
> >> +
> >> +#ifdef __linux__
> >> +
> >> +/**
> >> + * virFileWrapperSetPipeSize:
> >> + * @fd: the fd of the pipe
> >> + *
> >> + * Set best pipe size on the passed file descriptor for bulk transfers of data.
> >> + *
> >> + * default pipe size (usually 64K) is generally not suited for large transfers
> >> + * to fast devices. A value of 1MB has been measured to improve virsh save
> >> + * by 400% in ideal conditions. We retry multiple times with smaller sizes
> >> + * on EPERM to account for possible small values of /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size.
> >> + *
> >> + * Return value is 0 on success, -1 and errno set on error.
> >> + * OS note: only for linux, on other OS this is a no-op.
> >> + */
> >> +static int
> >> +virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
> >> +{
> >> +    int sz;
> >> +
> >> +    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
> >> +        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
> >> +        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
> >> +            continue; /* retry with half the size */
> >> +        }
> >> +        if (rv < 0) {
> >> +            break;
> >> +        }
> >> +        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
> >> +        return 0;
> >> +    }
> >> +    VIR_WARN("failed to set pipe size to %d (errno=%d)", sz, errno);
> >> +    return -1;
> >> +}
> >> +
> >> +#else /* !__linux__ */
> >> +static int virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
> >> +{
> >> +    return 0;
> >> +}
> >> +#endif /* !__linux__ */
> >> +
> >> +
> >>  /**
> >>   * virFileWrapperFdNew:
> >>   * @fd: pointer to fd to wrap
> >> @@ -282,6 +327,10 @@ virFileWrapperFdNew(int *fd, const char *name, unsigned int flags)
> >>  
> >>      ret->cmd = virCommandNewArgList(iohelper_path, name, NULL);
> >>  
> >> +    if (virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(pipefd[!output]) < 0) {
> >> +        virReportError(VIR_ERR_SYSTEM_ERROR, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));
> > 
> > Push this into virFileWrapperSetPipeSize instead of the VIR_WARN
> > there, and use virReportSystemError passing in the errno value too.
> 
> 
> ok, what about also warning on EPERM? In the normal case we should succeed on the first try I think.

We generally try to avoid any VIR_WARN in cases that we expect to be
still functional. Users tend to complain when they get warnings for
these kind of things. I think coping with smaller max size is a normal
situation, so its merely a perf factor, not a functional problem.

With regards,
Daniel
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Re: [libvirt RFCv3] virfile: set pipe size in virFileWrapperFdNew to improve throughput
Posted by Claudio Fontana 2 years, 7 months ago
On 3/25/22 2:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 02:52:05PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>> On 3/25/22 2:13 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 01:54:51PM +0100, Claudio Fontana wrote:
>>>> currently the only user of virFileWrapperFdNew is the qemu driver;
>>>> virsh save is very slow with a default pipe size.
>>>> This change improves throughput by ~400% on fast nvme or ramdisk.
>>>>
>>>> Best value currently measured is 1MB, which happens to be also
>>>> the kernel default for the pipe-max-size.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> see v2 at
>>>> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2022-March/229423.html
>>>>
>>>> Changes v2 -> v3:
>>>>
>>>> * removed reading of max-pipe-size from procfs,
>>>>   instead make multiple attempts on EPERM with smaller sizes.
>>>>   In the regular case, this should succeed on the first try.
>>>>   (Daniel)
>>>>
>>>> Changes v1 -> v2:
>>>>
>>>> * removed VIR_FILE_WRAPPER_BIG_PIPE, made the new pipe resizing
>>>>   unconditional (Michal)
>>>>
>>>> * moved code to separate functions (Michal)
>>>>
>>>> * removed ternary op, disliked in libvirt (Michal)
>>>>
>>>> * added #ifdef __linux__ (Ani Sinha)
>>>>
>>>> * try smallest value between currently best measured value (1MB)
>>>>   and the pipe-max-size setting. If pipe-max-size cannot be read,
>>>>   try kernel default max (1MB). (Daniel)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> src/util/virfile.c | 49 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>  1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/src/util/virfile.c b/src/util/virfile.c
>>>> index a04f888e06..876b865974 100644
>>>> --- a/src/util/virfile.c
>>>> +++ b/src/util/virfile.c
>>>> @@ -201,6 +201,51 @@ struct _virFileWrapperFd {
>>>>  };
>>>>  
>>>>  #ifndef WIN32
>>>> +
>>>> +#ifdef __linux__
>>>> +
>>>> +/**
>>>> + * virFileWrapperSetPipeSize:
>>>> + * @fd: the fd of the pipe
>>>> + *
>>>> + * Set best pipe size on the passed file descriptor for bulk transfers of data.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * default pipe size (usually 64K) is generally not suited for large transfers
>>>> + * to fast devices. A value of 1MB has been measured to improve virsh save
>>>> + * by 400% in ideal conditions. We retry multiple times with smaller sizes
>>>> + * on EPERM to account for possible small values of /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * Return value is 0 on success, -1 and errno set on error.
>>>> + * OS note: only for linux, on other OS this is a no-op.
>>>> + */
>>>> +static int
>>>> +virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    int sz;
>>>> +
>>>> +    for (sz = 1024 * 1024; sz >= 64 * 1024; sz /= 2) {
>>>> +        int rv = fcntl(fd, F_SETPIPE_SZ, sz);
>>>> +        if (rv < 0 && errno == EPERM) {
>>>> +            continue; /* retry with half the size */
>>>> +        }
>>>> +        if (rv < 0) {
>>>> +            break;
>>>> +        }
>>>> +        VIR_INFO("fd %d pipe size adjusted to %d", fd, sz);
>>>> +        return 0;
>>>> +    }
>>>> +    VIR_WARN("failed to set pipe size to %d (errno=%d)", sz, errno);
>>>> +    return -1;
>>>> +}
>>>> +
>>>> +#else /* !__linux__ */
>>>> +static int virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(int fd)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    return 0;
>>>> +}
>>>> +#endif /* !__linux__ */
>>>> +
>>>> +
>>>>  /**
>>>>   * virFileWrapperFdNew:
>>>>   * @fd: pointer to fd to wrap
>>>> @@ -282,6 +327,10 @@ virFileWrapperFdNew(int *fd, const char *name, unsigned int flags)
>>>>  
>>>>      ret->cmd = virCommandNewArgList(iohelper_path, name, NULL);
>>>>  
>>>> +    if (virFileWrapperSetPipeSize(pipefd[!output]) < 0) {
>>>> +        virReportError(VIR_ERR_SYSTEM_ERROR, "%s", _("unable to set pipe size, data transfer might be slow"));
>>>
>>> Push this into virFileWrapperSetPipeSize instead of the VIR_WARN
>>> there, and use virReportSystemError passing in the errno value too.
>>
>>
>> ok, what about also warning on EPERM? In the normal case we should succeed on the first try I think.
> 
> We generally try to avoid any VIR_WARN in cases that we expect to be
> still functional. Users tend to complain when they get warnings for

INFO? DEBUG? Or nothing at all? Thanks again

> these kind of things. I think coping with smaller max size is a normal
> situation, so its merely a perf factor, not a functional problem.
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel
>