[edk2-devel] [PATCH 0/2] remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver

Qi Zhang posted 2 patches 5 days ago
Failed in applying to current master (apply log)
IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
.../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)

[edk2-devel] [PATCH 0/2] remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver

Posted by Qi Zhang 5 days ago
Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
 these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
  it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
  PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.

Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>

Qi Zhang (2):
  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
    Depex
  SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid

 IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
 IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
 .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
 3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)

-- 
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Re: [edk2-devel] [PATCH 0/2] remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver

Posted by Yao, Jiewen 4 days ago
Patch is merged.

The pull request was
   https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930
and the commit range is a62fb4229d14..7bcb021a6d54.

Thank you
Yao Jiewen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 2:21 PM
> To: devel@edk2.groups.io
> Cc: Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>; Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@intel.com>;
> Desimone, Nathaniel L <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>; Zeng, Star
> <star.zeng@intel.com>; Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J
> <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> Subject: [PATCH 0/2] remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM
> driver
> 
> Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
>  these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
>   it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
>   PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.
> 
> Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
> Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
> Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
> Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> 
> Qi Zhang (2):
>   IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
>     Depex
>   SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid
> 
>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>  .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
>  3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> 
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> 2.26.2.windows.1


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[edk2-devel] development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]

Posted by Laszlo Ersek 4 days ago
Jiewen, Chasel,

On 09/15/20 08:21, Qi Zhang wrote:
> Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
>  these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
>   it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
>   PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.
> 
> Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
> Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
> Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
> Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> 
> Qi Zhang (2):
>   IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
>     Depex
>   SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid
> 
>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>  .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
>  3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> 

Please adopt a *much more* disciplined approach when merging patch series.


(1) When you merge a patch set, please report back on the list. Identify
both the pull request URL, and the commit reange.

In this case, the pull request was

  https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930

and the commit range is a62fb4229d14..7bcb021a6d54.


(2) The associated Bugzilla:

  https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2963

has been completely neglected, by both submitter and maintainers.

- The original BZ report is *absolute trash*.

- No URL into the mailing list archive has been captured in the BZ,
about the posted series.

- The BZ status is still CONFIRMED.

- No mention of the pull request, or the resultant commit, range in the
BZ ticket.


(3) The github pull request at
<https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930> does contain *any*
indication of the bugzilla ticket, or the cover letter on the list.

Basically we have random artifacts in three different places (Bugzilla,
github.com, mailing list), and nobody of the involved parties
(reviewers, maintainers, constributors) on this patch set have made
*any* effort to cross-reference them. We now have to hunt down
everything separately.


(4) Worst of all, the subject line of commit 414d7d11e6ea contains a
Unicode code point called FULLWIDTH COLON (U+FF1A) rather than a normal
colon (U+003A).

Compare:

- bad (current):           IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
- good (should have been): IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]

It makes absolutely no sense to use non-ASCII code points in subject
lines, for something as trivial as a colon.


I've been here for 8-9 years now and it's incredibly frustrating that I
*still* have to whine about basic stuff like this on a regular basis.

I don't even know whom I should CC at Intel (management or otherwise) to
see an improvement in attitude here.

I guess this community cannot be saved.

Laszlo


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Re: [edk2-devel] development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]

Posted by Yao, Jiewen 4 days ago
Hi Laszlo
Thanks. I agree 1, 2, 3. I take the blame. It is my fault.

For 4, it is out of my scope. I cannot find this by my eyes. Everything works well on my side.
Can we improve patch checker to catch this in CI ?
I don’t think I can find any Unicode in code or commit message easily.
I prefer to let a tool to do that work.

Thank you
Yao Jiewen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:43 PM
> To: Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@intel.com>; Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>; Desimone,
> Nathaniel L <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>; Zeng, Star
> <star.zeng@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> Subject: development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex
> for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]
> 
> Jiewen, Chasel,
> 
> On 09/15/20 08:21, Qi Zhang wrote:
> > Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
> >  these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
> >   it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
> >   PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.
> >
> > Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
> > Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
> > Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
> > Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> > Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> >
> > Qi Zhang (2):
> >   IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
> >     Depex
> >   SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid
> >
> >  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
> >  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
> >  .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
> >  3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >
> 
> Please adopt a *much more* disciplined approach when merging patch series.
> 
> 
> (1) When you merge a patch set, please report back on the list. Identify
> both the pull request URL, and the commit reange.
> 
> In this case, the pull request was
> 
>   https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930
> 
> and the commit range is a62fb4229d14..7bcb021a6d54.
> 
> 
> (2) The associated Bugzilla:
> 
>   https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2963
> 
> has been completely neglected, by both submitter and maintainers.
> 
> - The original BZ report is *absolute trash*.
> 
> - No URL into the mailing list archive has been captured in the BZ,
> about the posted series.
> 
> - The BZ status is still CONFIRMED.
> 
> - No mention of the pull request, or the resultant commit, range in the
> BZ ticket.
> 
> 
> (3) The github pull request at
> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930> does contain *any*
> indication of the bugzilla ticket, or the cover letter on the list.
> 
> Basically we have random artifacts in three different places (Bugzilla,
> github.com, mailing list), and nobody of the involved parties
> (reviewers, maintainers, constributors) on this patch set have made
> *any* effort to cross-reference them. We now have to hunt down
> everything separately.
> 
> 
> (4) Worst of all, the subject line of commit 414d7d11e6ea contains a
> Unicode code point called FULLWIDTH COLON (U+FF1A) rather than a normal
> colon (U+003A).
> 
> Compare:
> 
> - bad (current):           IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
> - good (should have been): IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
> 
> It makes absolutely no sense to use non-ASCII code points in subject
> lines, for something as trivial as a colon.
> 
> 
> I've been here for 8-9 years now and it's incredibly frustrating that I
> *still* have to whine about basic stuff like this on a regular basis.
> 
> I don't even know whom I should CC at Intel (management or otherwise) to
> see an improvement in attitude here.
> 
> I guess this community cannot be saved.
> 
> Laszlo


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Re: [edk2-devel] development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]

Posted by Laszlo Ersek 4 days ago
On 09/16/20 11:31, Yao, Jiewen wrote:
> Hi Laszlo
> Thanks. I agree 1, 2, 3. I take the blame. It is my fault.
> 
> For 4, it is out of my scope. I cannot find this by my eyes. Everything works well on my side.
> Can we improve patch checker to catch this in CI ?
> I don’t think I can find any Unicode in code or commit message easily.
> I prefer to let a tool to do that work.

Yes, we could perhaps enhance "BaseTools/Scripts/PatchCheck.py" to
require subjects to be 7-bit ASCII only. (And then some people would
disagree...)

I guess the idea is, unless it's a proper name being inserted in the
subject line, we should stick with 7-bit ASCII. For example, we should
reject U+FF1A (because U+003A is the right code point), but we should
still accept proper names in full UTF-8 (maybe not even restricted to
Latin script only)!

I don't know how this could be implemented in "PatchCheck.py"...

I guess what I would prefer is if contributors' input devices were
configured accordingly. When they press a key that promises to insert a
colon -- that is, when it *looks like* a colon --, then the symbol
should *become* a colon -- that is, U+003A, and not U+FF1A.

Thanks,
Laszlo


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:43 PM
>> To: Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@intel.com>; Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
>> Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>; Desimone,
>> Nathaniel L <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>; Zeng, Star
>> <star.zeng@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
>> Subject: development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex
>> for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]
>>
>> Jiewen, Chasel,
>>
>> On 09/15/20 08:21, Qi Zhang wrote:
>>> Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
>>>  these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
>>>   it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
>>>   PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.
>>>
>>> Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
>>> Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
>>> Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
>>> Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
>>> Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
>>>
>>> Qi Zhang (2):
>>>   IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
>>>     Depex
>>>   SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid
>>>
>>>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>>>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
>>>  .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
>>>  3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
>>>
>>
>> Please adopt a *much more* disciplined approach when merging patch series.
>>
>>
>> (1) When you merge a patch set, please report back on the list. Identify
>> both the pull request URL, and the commit reange.
>>
>> In this case, the pull request was
>>
>>   https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930
>>
>> and the commit range is a62fb4229d14..7bcb021a6d54.
>>
>>
>> (2) The associated Bugzilla:
>>
>>   https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2963
>>
>> has been completely neglected, by both submitter and maintainers.
>>
>> - The original BZ report is *absolute trash*.
>>
>> - No URL into the mailing list archive has been captured in the BZ,
>> about the posted series.
>>
>> - The BZ status is still CONFIRMED.
>>
>> - No mention of the pull request, or the resultant commit, range in the
>> BZ ticket.
>>
>>
>> (3) The github pull request at
>> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930> does contain *any*
>> indication of the bugzilla ticket, or the cover letter on the list.
>>
>> Basically we have random artifacts in three different places (Bugzilla,
>> github.com, mailing list), and nobody of the involved parties
>> (reviewers, maintainers, constributors) on this patch set have made
>> *any* effort to cross-reference them. We now have to hunt down
>> everything separately.
>>
>>
>> (4) Worst of all, the subject line of commit 414d7d11e6ea contains a
>> Unicode code point called FULLWIDTH COLON (U+FF1A) rather than a normal
>> colon (U+003A).
>>
>> Compare:
>>
>> - bad (current):           IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
>> - good (should have been): IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
>>
>> It makes absolutely no sense to use non-ASCII code points in subject
>> lines, for something as trivial as a colon.
>>
>>
>> I've been here for 8-9 years now and it's incredibly frustrating that I
>> *still* have to whine about basic stuff like this on a regular basis.
>>
>> I don't even know whom I should CC at Intel (management or otherwise) to
>> see an improvement in attitude here.
>>
>> I guess this community cannot be saved.
>>
>> Laszlo
> 



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Re: [edk2-devel] development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]

Posted by Yao, Jiewen 4 days ago
Right. Now I understand why this is not enforced before - We do support Unicode in some content.

Unfortunately, I don’t think you can enforce the contributor's keyboard device. We sometime write different document with different context, and switch between English and other language. It is not feasible.

We do out best, but we still make mistakes.

I still prefer a tool to do some simple check. For example, dash "-", colon ":", quote "\"", bracket "()" - per my experience.

If you really only care about "REF: ", then we can only add check for "REF :", together with "Cc:", "Reviewed-by:", "Signed-off-by:", etc, to ensure they are using correct ":".

Thank you
Yao Jiewen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:14 PM
> To: Yao, Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>; Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
> Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>; Desimone,
> Nathaniel L <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>; Zeng, Star
> <star.zeng@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from
> Depex for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]
> 
> On 09/16/20 11:31, Yao, Jiewen wrote:
> > Hi Laszlo
> > Thanks. I agree 1, 2, 3. I take the blame. It is my fault.
> >
> > For 4, it is out of my scope. I cannot find this by my eyes. Everything works
> well on my side.
> > Can we improve patch checker to catch this in CI ?
> > I don’t think I can find any Unicode in code or commit message easily.
> > I prefer to let a tool to do that work.
> 
> Yes, we could perhaps enhance "BaseTools/Scripts/PatchCheck.py" to
> require subjects to be 7-bit ASCII only. (And then some people would
> disagree...)
> 
> I guess the idea is, unless it's a proper name being inserted in the
> subject line, we should stick with 7-bit ASCII. For example, we should
> reject U+FF1A (because U+003A is the right code point), but we should
> still accept proper names in full UTF-8 (maybe not even restricted to
> Latin script only)!
> 
> I don't know how this could be implemented in "PatchCheck.py"...
> 
> I guess what I would prefer is if contributors' input devices were
> configured accordingly. When they press a key that promises to insert a
> colon -- that is, when it *looks like* a colon --, then the symbol
> should *become* a colon -- that is, U+003A, and not U+FF1A.
> 
> Thanks,
> Laszlo
> 
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:43 PM
> >> To: Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@intel.com>; Yao, Jiewen
> <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> >> Cc: devel@edk2.groups.io; Zhang, Qi1 <qi1.zhang@intel.com>; Desimone,
> >> Nathaniel L <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>; Zeng, Star
> >> <star.zeng@intel.com>; Wang, Jian J <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> >> Subject: development process failure [was: remove TPM related ppi from
> Depex
> >> for Fsp wrapper PEIM driver]
> >>
> >> Jiewen, Chasel,
> >>
> >> On 09/15/20 08:21, Qi Zhang wrote:
> >>> Some open board are TPM disabled. So the boot may hang because
> >>>  these PPIs can't arrive. And gEdkiiTcgPpiGuid will be notified where
> >>>   it is used. So we need to remove these PPIs from Depex for Fsp wrapper
> >>>   PEI and PeiTpmMeasurementLib.
> >>>
> >>> Cc: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@intel.com>
> >>> Cc: Nate DeSimone <nathaniel.l.desimone@intel.com>
> >>> Cc: Star Zeng <star.zeng@intel.com>
> >>> Cc: Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
> >>> Cc: Jian J Wang <jian.j.wang@intel.com>
> >>>
> >>> Qi Zhang (2):
> >>>   IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove gPeiTpmInitializationDonePpiGuid from
> >>>     Depex
> >>>   SecurityPkg/PeiTpmMeasurementLib: remove gEfiTpmDeviceSelectedGuid
> >>>
> >>>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspmWrapperPeim/FspmWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
> >>>  IntelFsp2WrapperPkg/FspsWrapperPeim/FspsWrapperPeim.inf        | 3 +--
> >>>  .../Library/PeiTpmMeasurementLib/PeiTpmMeasurementLib.inf      | 3 +--
> >>>  3 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Please adopt a *much more* disciplined approach when merging patch series.
> >>
> >>
> >> (1) When you merge a patch set, please report back on the list. Identify
> >> both the pull request URL, and the commit reange.
> >>
> >> In this case, the pull request was
> >>
> >>   https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930
> >>
> >> and the commit range is a62fb4229d14..7bcb021a6d54.
> >>
> >>
> >> (2) The associated Bugzilla:
> >>
> >>   https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2963
> >>
> >> has been completely neglected, by both submitter and maintainers.
> >>
> >> - The original BZ report is *absolute trash*.
> >>
> >> - No URL into the mailing list archive has been captured in the BZ,
> >> about the posted series.
> >>
> >> - The BZ status is still CONFIRMED.
> >>
> >> - No mention of the pull request, or the resultant commit, range in the
> >> BZ ticket.
> >>
> >>
> >> (3) The github pull request at
> >> <https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/930> does contain *any*
> >> indication of the bugzilla ticket, or the cover letter on the list.
> >>
> >> Basically we have random artifacts in three different places (Bugzilla,
> >> github.com, mailing list), and nobody of the involved parties
> >> (reviewers, maintainers, constributors) on this patch set have made
> >> *any* effort to cross-reference them. We now have to hunt down
> >> everything separately.
> >>
> >>
> >> (4) Worst of all, the subject line of commit 414d7d11e6ea contains a
> >> Unicode code point called FULLWIDTH COLON (U+FF1A) rather than a normal
> >> colon (U+003A).
> >>
> >> Compare:
> >>
> >> - bad (current):           IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
> >> - good (should have been): IntelFsp2WrapperPkg: remove [...]
> >>
> >> It makes absolutely no sense to use non-ASCII code points in subject
> >> lines, for something as trivial as a colon.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been here for 8-9 years now and it's incredibly frustrating that I
> >> *still* have to whine about basic stuff like this on a regular basis.
> >>
> >> I don't even know whom I should CC at Intel (management or otherwise) to
> >> see an improvement in attitude here.
> >>
> >> I guess this community cannot be saved.
> >>
> >> Laszlo
> >



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