Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling
and promoting stupidity [0][1], the link points to the 'libvirt'
hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information.
[0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308
[1] https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue-fragments-folder/nft
Signed-off-by: Ján Tomko <jtomko@redhat.com>
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docs/page.xsl | 1 -
1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/docs/page.xsl b/docs/page.xsl
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@@ -173,7 +173,6 @@
<div id="community">
<h3>Community</h3>
<ul>
- <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li>
</ul>
--
2.34.1
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: > Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling > and promoting stupidity [0][1], the link points to the 'libvirt' > hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information. Ok, I get it, you don't like twitter. That's fine. That doesn't make it useless. Despite its flaws, plenty of people do like it and use it daily, and there is plenty of stuff regularly tagged with #libvirt shown and so I think it is still relevant to have this link. Please don't remove it. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: > Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling > and promoting stupidity [0][1], > > [0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308 > [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue-fragments-folder/nft While I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment of Twitter as a platform... > the link points to the 'libvirt' > hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information. ... I'd prefer sticking with just the more objectively measurable rationale :) > <h3>Community</h3> > <ul> > - <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li> > <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li> > <li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li> Honestly I think that *all of these* should go. Twitter is the one where the number of useful posts is just so low that it's not worth bothering, but in general having these links in the website's footer might give people the expectation that libvirt developers are actively participating in those communities and offering support through them, which AFAIK is simply not the case. A link to https://planet.virt-tools.org/ might fit into this section, but that's about it in my opinion. -- Andrea Bolognani / Red Hat / Virtualization
On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 01:46:50AM -0800, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: > > Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling > > and promoting stupidity [0][1], > > > > [0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308 > > [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue-fragments-folder/nft > > While I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment of Twitter > as a platform... > > > the link points to the 'libvirt' > > hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information. > > ... I'd prefer sticking with just the more objectively measurable > rationale :) > > > <h3>Community</h3> > > <ul> > > - <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li> > > <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li> > > <li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li> > > Honestly I think that *all of these* should go. > > Twitter is the one where the number of useful posts is just so low > that it's not worth bothering, but in general having these links in > the website's footer might give people the expectation that libvirt > developers are actively participating in those communities and > offering support through them, which AFAIK is simply not the case. The stack overflow / serverfault sites are pretty active with people seeking help for libvirt related topics and they do get actively answered, and I actively monitor questions and answer them myself daily. In addition this is not about providing a support forum, it is highlighting information related to libvirt in other communities, so as to broaden knowledge and awareness of the project. Our long term success relies on people knowing we exist and pretending all these external sites don't exist is not a benefit to the project. Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|
On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 10:32:13AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2022 at 01:46:50AM -0800, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: > > > <h3>Community</h3> > > > <ul> > > > - <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li> > > > <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li> > > > <li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li> > > > > Honestly I think that *all of these* should go. > > > > Twitter is the one where the number of useful posts is just so low > > that it's not worth bothering, but in general having these links in > > the website's footer might give people the expectation that libvirt > > developers are actively participating in those communities and > > offering support through them, which AFAIK is simply not the case. > > The stack overflow / serverfault sites are pretty active with > people seeking help for libvirt related topics and they do > get actively answered, and I actively monitor questions and > answer them myself daily. > > In addition this is not about providing a support forum, it is > highlighting information related to libvirt in other communities, > so as to broaden knowledge and awareness of the project. Our long > term success relies on people knowing we exist and pretending all > these external sites don't exist is not a benefit to the project. If you are actively engaging with Stack Overflow and Server Fault, then I don't have a problem with keeping those links and I can see the value considering the significant number of libvirt-related questions that are asked on those sites. Massive kudos for taking the time, by the way! :) Since neither of those facts seems to apply to Twitter, I'd rather see the link gone. So Reviewed-by: Andrea Bolognani <abologna@redhat.com> with the first part of the commit message removed, and maybe a mention of the fact that nobody is monitoring the hashtag added for good measure. -- Andrea Bolognani / Red Hat / Virtualization
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: >Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling >and promoting stupidity [0][1], the link points to the 'libvirt' >hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information. > Thank you, neither do we point to other dumpster fires^W^Wsocial sites. >[0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308 >[1] https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue-fragments-folder/nft > >Signed-off-by: Ján Tomko <jtomko@redhat.com> Reviewed-by: Martin Kletzander <mkletzan@redhat.com> >--- > docs/page.xsl | 1 - > 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-) > >diff --git a/docs/page.xsl b/docs/page.xsl >index fd67918d3b..35ae6595a3 100644 >--- a/docs/page.xsl >+++ b/docs/page.xsl >@@ -173,7 +173,6 @@ > <div id="community"> > <h3>Community</h3> > <ul> >- <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li> > <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li> > <li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li> > </ul> >-- >2.34.1 >
On Sat, Feb 05, 2022 at 03:14:50PM +0100, Martin Kletzander wrote: >On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 05:01:54PM +0100, Ján Tomko wrote: >>Regardless of the platform being mostly advertising, trolling >>and promoting stupidity [0][1], the link points to the 'libvirt' >>hashtag which never gained traction or contained useful information. >> > >Thank you, neither do we point to other dumpster fires^W^Wsocial sites. > >>[0] https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308 >>[1] https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue-fragments-folder/nft >> Oh and I think it's pointless to list the links or even provide subjective reasoning in the commit message. Just removing the link is fine. >>Signed-off-by: Ján Tomko <jtomko@redhat.com> > >Reviewed-by: Martin Kletzander <mkletzan@redhat.com> > >>--- >> docs/page.xsl | 1 - >> 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-) >> >>diff --git a/docs/page.xsl b/docs/page.xsl >>index fd67918d3b..35ae6595a3 100644 >>--- a/docs/page.xsl >>+++ b/docs/page.xsl >>@@ -173,7 +173,6 @@ >> <div id="community"> >> <h3>Community</h3> >> <ul> >>- <li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/libvirt">twitter</a></li> >> <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">stackoverflow</a></li> >> <li><a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/libvirt">serverfault</a></li> >> </ul> >>-- >>2.34.1 >>
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